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[Janos Mohacsi <mohacsi.janos AT kifu.gov.hu>]

Hello,

    Similar in Hungary. According to rules governing operations and service delivery of KIFU. We can provide NREN services to two groups:

- all public primary and secondary schools,

- all educational, research (including libraries, museums and public collections) institutions (and related  organisation) which is joining to NREN group.

Joining to the NREN user group might happen without using NREN network (of course some services are not available for non NREN network users e.g. DDoS protection).

I hope this helps.

    Best Regards,

            Janos

On 2021. 11. 18. 8:41, Geoffroy ARNOUD wrote:

Hi

 

We had the same approach in France before: connecting to the NREN network allows to join Identity Federation and access to other services.

This changed, and now institutions can subscribe to a « services package », that allows to use our services – including identity federations, but also eduroam, and other digital services we propose.

 

Regards

Geoffroy

 

De : edugain-discuss-request AT lists.geant.org <edugain-discuss-request AT lists.geant.org> De la part de Leif Johansson
Envoyé : mercredi 17 novembre 2021 22:08
À : edugain-discuss AT lists.geant.org
Objet : Re: [eduGAIN-discuss] Question about federations' IdP members

 

On 2021-11-17 20:16, Valeriu Vraciu wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Please help us understand and act the best possible way in the following matter, maybe there are/were similar cases in other federations:
>
> EduGain is a service supported by GEANT, gathering identity federations established mainly by NRENs, so a reasonable conclusion is that beneficiary IdP institutions are members of NRENs or have some
> sort of relation with NREN. Please correct me if it is a wrong assumption.

Yeah mostly, although in some countries the NREN remit extend a bit beyond "traditional"
higher education to include related govt agencies, k12 etc.

>
> We have a request to join eduGain as an IdP from an accredited by the Ministry of Education private university, with which we did not have any relation (until this request). They are not connected to
> our network and do not use any service from us, so first reaction seems to be a no go. Any information regarding how other federations deal with such cases can help us to decide further.
> Our policy does not cover this case, maybe an update will be worth too.
>

In Sunet we would probably take a similar approach: the SWAMID federation is part of
the NREN service infra and as such requires that the customer is connected to the
network. I would not go as far as saying that there would *never* be a case when we
might bend that rule... but that would then probably be a decision at the board level
in our case.

As always ymwv, hope this helps.

Cheers Leif

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Chief International R&D Officer, T&I service owner
GÉANT activity coordinator in Hungary, EOSC representative   

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