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Re: [rare-dev] polka is approaching rare... was: Re: custom crc32 library in freerouter
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- From: mc36 <>
- To: , Cristina Klippel Dominicini <>, Frédéric LOUI <>
- Cc: Magnos Martinello <>, Rafael Silva Guimarães <>, "Moises R. N. Ribeiro" <>
- Subject: Re: [rare-dev] polka is approaching rare... was: Re: custom crc32 library in freerouter
- Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2021 22:42:53 +0100
hi,
to have the environment up and running at your side, just pick up a linux and
install openjdk (java, javac) to it...
then do the following as a regular user:
wget freertr.net/rtr.zip
unzip rtr.zip
cd src
./c.sh
java -jar rtr.jar test tester mpls-polka01 wait
then you can access your virtual routers at
telnet localhost 20001
telnet localhost 20002
telnet localhost 20003
good luck and feel free to ask if you get lost somewhere... :)
thanks,
cs
On 11/4/21 22:16, Cristina Klippel Dominicini wrote:
Hi Csaba,
Thank you very much for the demo on Tuesday! We were really happy to see
PolKA integrated into freeRouter... with PolKA tunnels, PBR, ... and the full
set of features that comes with freeRouter =)
Actions points from our side now:
- install a freeRouter virtual testbed;
- reproduce the demo from Csaba in virtual environment;
- document the changes to integrate PolKA in the repository by checking the
commits;
- reproduce the demo in the RARE testbed (after Frederic applies the
modifications); and
- generate the RFC initial version.
@Jordi, is it possible please to give access to the recordings of the three
last meetings (#0005, #0006 and #0007)? I checked in the youtube channel
(https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzEhsAYKJs2qSNcjuooxCOg/videos), but they
are not there yet. It would be very helpful to have access to the recordings
to tackle the action points.
Thank you!
Cristina
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De: <> em nome de
mc36 <>
Enviado: terça-feira, 2 de novembro de 2021 11:58
Para: ; Cristina Klippel Dominicini; Frédéric LOUI
Cc: Magnos Martinello; Rafael Silva Guimarães; Moises R. N. Ribeiro
Assunto: Re: [rare-dev] polka is approaching rare... was: Re: custom crc32
library in freerouter
hi,
scroll back on this thread and check out those commits i mentioned...
these two are too far and have much other stuff...
regards,
cs
On 11/2/21 15:53, Cristina Klippel Dominicini wrote:
Hi, Frederic,
No problem. It was good that we have more time to explore the huge (and super
fast) effort Csaba did to include PolKA into freeRouter.
@Csaba, I am comparing these two commits. Are they good references of start
and end of PolKA development?
https://github.com/mc36/freeRouter/compare/04f6a662d44b1e618bcb099346693c4be8e5ed52...41a71b143c2ad63249155711d8e166ab5b11fd0d
Best regards,
Cristina
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De: Frédéric LOUI <>
Enviado: terça-feira, 2 de novembro de 2021 11:47
Para:
Cc: Cristina Klippel Dominicini; Magnos Martinello; Rafael Silva
Guimarães; Moises R. N. Ribeiro
Assunto: Re: [rare-dev] polka is approaching rare... was: Re: custom crc32
library in freerouter
My bad, wrongly assumed that the ë S û in CEST was "S"aving time like
in Daily Saving Time :3
My bad IâEUR(tm)d would put CET from now on !
Le 2 nov. 2021 à 15:23, mc36 <> a écrit :
okk, the meeting room is closed again so let's wait then... :)
On 11/2/21 15:21, mc36 wrote:
hihi,
my bad, frederic really said ceSt in the mail so it's summer time...
anyway if you're in them im going too... :)
regards,
cs
On 11/2/21 15:20, Cristina Klippel Dominicini wrote:
Sorry... the invitation was in CEST and we didn't realize the timezone
change. Jordi opened the VC and explained it.
It's because we're looking forward to the demo :-D
Thanks,
Cristina
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De: <> em nome de
mc36 <>
Enviado: terÃfÃ'Ã'ça-feira, 2 de novembro de 2021 11:15
Para: Cristina Klippel Dominicini; Magnos Martinello;
FrÃfÃ'Ã'édÃfÃ'Ã'éric LOUI;
Cc: Rafael Silva GuimarÃfÃ'Ã'ães; Moises R. N. Ribeiro
Assunto: Re: [rare-dev] polka is approaching rare... was: Re: custom crc32
library in freerouter
hi,
since we moved to the winter time so you'll have to wait an additional
hour... :)
thanks,
cs
On 11/2/21 15:08, Cristina Klippel Dominicini wrote:
Hi all,
The VC meeting is not opening here... did the timezone change? The invitation
was for 4PM CEST, which is 11AM in Brazil.
Thanks,
Cristina
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*De:* <> em nome
de Cristina Klippel Dominicini <>
*Enviado:* terÃfÃ'Ã'Ã'ÃfâEURsÃ'ça-feira, 2 de novembro de 2021 10:55
*Para:* Magnos Martinello;
FrÃfÃ'Ã'Ã'ÃfâEURsÃ'édÃfÃ'Ã'Ã'ÃfâEURsÃ'éric LOUI
*Cc:* ; ; Rafael Silva
GuimarÃfÃ'Ã'Ã'ÃfâEURsÃ'ães; Moises R. N. Ribeiro
*Assunto:* Re: [rare-dev] polka is approaching rare... was: Re: custom crc32
library in freerouter
That is great, Frederic! :-D
Rafael, Moises and I will join the meeting.
Best regards,
Cristina
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*De:* Magnos Martinello <>
*Enviado:* segunda-feira, 1 de novembro de 2021 19:05
*Para:* FrÃfÃ'Ã'Ã'ÃfâEURsÃ'édÃfÃ'Ã'Ã'ÃfâEURsÃ'éric LOUI
*Cc:* Cristina Klippel Dominicini; ; ; Rafael
Silva GuimarÃfÃ'Ã'Ã'ÃfâEURsÃ'ães; Moises R. N. Ribeiro
*Assunto:* Re: [rare-dev] polka is approaching rare... was: Re: custom crc32
library in freerouter
Guys,
We are very happy with the PolKA integration in the free router.
Tomorrow I cannot join the meeting tomorrow at 11 AM,ÃfÃ'Ã'âEURs but
maybe the others will attend the meeting . I am out of Vitoria so if you may
record the call, that will be great.
Cheers
On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 at 18:58,
FrÃfÃ'Ã'Ã'ÃfâEURsÃ'édÃfÃ'Ã'Ã'ÃfâEURsÃ'éric LOUI
< <>> wrote:
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' > @Frederic, is tomorrow freeRouter's meeting confirmed?
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Of course ! IIRC, we have planned to have Csaba doing a
RARE/freeRtr Polka demo ÃfÃ'Ã'âEURÃfâEURsÃ'æ
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' So I strongly advise the UFES gang :) ton join us !
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' > Le 1 nov. 2021 ÃfÃ'Ã'Ã'Ã' 22:30, Cristina Klippel Dominicini
< <>> a
ÃfÃ'Ã'Ã'ÃfâEURsÃ'écrit :
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' >
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' > Hi Csaba,
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' >
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' > Thank you very much for your support. We are very
happy with the fast progress of the PolKA integration into freeRouter. We are
now trying to test and exploring your
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' modifications in the freeRouter code to understand how to
contribute.
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' > @Frederic, is tomorrow freeRouter's meeting confirmed?
I think it would be a good opportunity to wrap up our current status and next
steps.
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' >
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' > Regarding the nodeIDs, in the Chinese Remainder
Theorem, it is sufficient if the nodeID polynomials are pairwise relatively
prime (Section 17.4 of
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' https://shoup.net/ntb/ntb-v2.pdf
<https://shoup.net/ntb/ntb-v2.pdf>). For simplicity purposes, we use
irreducible polynomials to assure this condition for any case (similar to
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' prime numbers in the integer arithmetic). Please, find
attached an example table of irreducible polynomials. I refactored the code
and have just submitted a new commit in the
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' shared repository to include the computation of nodeID
polynomials with some examples (a random test and also a test using the
values from the ONDM paper). I added a simple
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' code that tests all the bit possibilities to generate a list
of n irreducible polynomials of a specific degree (for real scenarios, I
believe the best approach is to lookup a
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' precomputed list of nodeids). Please let me know if this
code helps. We still have to produce more mature control plane
functionalities that explore these basic functions.
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' >
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' > Regarding the design choices, the discussions with
you, Frederic and Jordi, were very helpful to tune our arguments about the
potential benefits of PolKA:
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' > - Tables: In the paper, one argument was that PolKA
reduces the number of states by not relying on tables. However, I agree with you
that the use of an almost static table
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' to map the index of the next hops does not discredit the
original argument. Thus, your suggestion to use BGP/IGP for node discovery
and reuse the Segment Routing identifiers
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' seems to be a very good solution. We still reduce the
management burden of maintaining routing tables when compared with
traditional approaches.
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' > - Header rewrite: In the paper, one argument was that
PolKA does not need to rewrite the routeid in the packet in each hop. However, I
agree with you that we need to rewrite
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' at least a TTL field and ethernet address to prevent loops
and allow PolKA packets to traverse bridged networks, respectively. Thus, I
think we shouldn't focus on this argument.
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' > - Fixed header size: In the paper, we briefly show
that PolKA's pipeline is simpler to implement when compared to a list based
approach, because it does not need to operate
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' over variable headers. As you said, this can be a strong
benefit considering the current hardware limitations in the maximum number of
hops for var header operations, as used
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' in segment routing.
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' >
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' > From your previous email:
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' >>> some more progess here, as you're carrying ethertype
within polka header, i added some mpls over polka test cases... so one can tunnel mpls
vpns (both layer2 and layer3)
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' through a polka domain...
https://github.com/mc36/freeRouter/commit/aa261c3e3a5bf33f85e8068cf7555653f24c4e85
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã'
<https://github.com/mc36/freeRouter/commit/aa261c3e3a5bf33f85e8068cf7555653f24c4e85>
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' > Nice! We used the Ethernet header as a Proof of
Concept, but we could encapsulate the PolKA header in other protocols if you
think it is more adequate.
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' >
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' > Best Regards,
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' > Cristina
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' >
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' > ________________________________________
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' > De: mc36 < <>>
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' > Enviado: sÃfÃ'Ã'Ã'ÃfâEURsÃ'ábado, 30 de
outubro de 2021 06:24
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' > Para:
<>;
FrÃfÃ'Ã'Ã'ÃfâEURsÃ'édÃfÃ'Ã'Ã'ÃfâEURsÃ'éric LOUI
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' > Cc: Cristina Klippel Dominicini; Rafael Silva
GuimarÃfÃ'Ã'Ã'ÃfâEURsÃ'ães; Moises R. N. Ribeiro; Magnos Martinello
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' > Assunto: Re: [rare-dev] polka is approaching rare...
was: Re: custom crc32 library in freerouter
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' >
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' >>
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' >> So basically Polka should be live and kicking in P4
LAB using RARE/freeRtr ?
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' >>
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' >> PS: Please let me know if you need P4 dataplane and
bf_forwarder.py to be upgraded.
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' >>
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' >
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' > so yeahhh, the freerouter upgrade does not carry (at
the moment:) the tofino.bin....
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' > so well the lab need a fresh bfrouter and
bfforwarder... also, some features needed
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' > to be taken out here because we ran out of stages...
at my case it was multicast,
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' > as it's a core (P) router here so no need for raw ip
multicast, bier is enough 4 me...
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' > attaching the constants table used to configure my
stordis...
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' >
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' > regards,
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' > cs
Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' Ã' >
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- Re: [rare-dev] polka is approaching rare... was: Re: custom crc32 library in freerouter, (continued)
- Re: [rare-dev] polka is approaching rare... was: Re: custom crc32 library in freerouter, Cristina Klippel Dominicini, 11/02/2021
- Re: [rare-dev] polka is approaching rare... was: Re: custom crc32 library in freerouter, mc36, 11/02/2021
- Re: [rare-dev] polka is approaching rare... was: Re: custom crc32 library in freerouter, mc36, 11/02/2021
- Re: [rare-dev] polka is approaching rare... was: Re: custom crc32 library in freerouter, Frédéric LOUI, 11/02/2021
- Re: [rare-dev] polka is approaching rare... was: Re: custom crc32 library in freerouter, Cristina Klippel Dominicini, 11/02/2021
- Re: [rare-dev] polka is approaching rare... was: Re: custom crc32 library in freerouter, mc36, 11/02/2021
- Re: [rare-dev] polka is approaching rare... was: Re: custom crc32 library in freerouter, Cristina Klippel Dominicini, 11/04/2021
- Re: [rare-dev] polka is approaching rare... was: Re: custom crc32 library in freerouter, Frédéric LOUI, 11/04/2021
- Re: [rare-dev] polka is approaching rare... was: Re: custom crc32 library in freerouter, Frédéric LOUI, 11/04/2021
- Re: [rare-dev] polka is approaching rare... was: Re: custom crc32 library in freerouter, Cristina Klippel Dominicini, 11/04/2021
- Re: [rare-dev] polka is approaching rare... was: Re: custom crc32 library in freerouter, Cristina Klippel Dominicini, 11/02/2021
- Re: [rare-dev] polka is approaching rare... was: Re: custom crc32 library in freerouter, mc36, 11/04/2021
- Re: [rare-dev] polka is approaching rare... was: Re: custom crc32 library in freerouter, Cristina Klippel Dominicini, 11/04/2021
- Re: [rare-dev] polka is approaching rare... was: Re: custom crc32 library in freerouter, mc36, 11/06/2021
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- Re: [rare-dev] polka is approaching rare... was: Re: custom crc32 library in freerouter, Cristina Klippel Dominicini, 11/09/2021
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