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[Alan Lewis <alan.lewis AT geant.org>]

Hello Brook,

 

Thanks for the slides and pointer to the REFEDS minutes. I agree that some examples of what did not work would be useful, and I take your point concerning ‘theoretical’ use cases.  If this has already been well explored and no new circumstances exist that would give rise to use cases that are likely to evolve from imagined to real I can see that creating more unicorns might be an unnecessarily futile exercise.

 

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Alan

 

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From: Brook Schofield <brook.schofield AT geant.org>
Sent: 17 April 2019 14:25
To: Alan Lewis <alan.lewis AT geant.org>
Cc: Nicole Harris <nicole.harris AT geant.org>; edugain-discuss AT lists.geant.org
Subject: Re: [eduGAIN-discuss] Your super amazing IAM examples

 

Alan,

 

I’d suggest that the things that don’t work are valuable as a lesson of what not to do (and there is a risk that the next generation of federation and identity specialists might repeat history) but there is plenty on our TODO lists that users repeatedly ask for and mechanisms to validate and revisit use cases are more valuable. 

 

When eduGAIN started, because we didn’t have a service, nor users, nor services, nor collaborations we created a range of “example or potential” use cases so that we could build the service based on something.

 

We hope that this “something” was grounded in reality. Unfortunately many of these use cases outlived their useful life - and we never really validated whether these were real or entirely theoretical.

 

In my eduGAIN update at the 29th REFEDS meeting I called for:

    "No more theoretical developments”

because too many of these stayed open, never resulted in anything and distracted us from real problems.

 

See slide #10 at:

    https://refeds.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/eduGAIN-Update-REFEDS-20150614-small.pdf

where I discussed ‘verifiedHornLength’ (but didn’t specific whether SI units would be used nor the precision). 

 

…and the rest of that REFEDS meeting https://refeds.org/meetings/29th-meeting-june-2015

 

-Brook

 

 

On 17 Apr 2019, at 12:29 pm, Alan Lewis <alan.lewis AT geant.org> wrote:

 

Nicole,  

 

A suggestion. As well as providing use case examples that exist, how about also providing some potential use cases that don’t as a way of encouraging new areas to develop.

 

Best regards

 

Alan

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On 17 Apr 2019, at 09:40, Nicole Harris <nicole.harris AT geant.org> wrote:

Hi All

 

I’ve been asked to work on a set of example use cases of where federated IAM / eduGAIN is being used to create a set of example slides that can be slotted into presentations.  We often talk about the big science uses cases (we love you LIGO) but there is also a lot of use in more prosaic ways that is massively useful but perhaps not sold as well as it should be to demonstrate the breadth of use.  

 

We’ve some stories here: https://edugain.org/edugain-users/.  

 

Some of the other areas I’d like to add:

 

 - Filesender.

 - Access to e-journals.

 - Jisc Student Voter registration. 

 - Student discounts. 

 

Do people have other examples they think would be good to promote and would you be willing to help me create a simple slide on the use case?

 

Many thanks

 

Nicole 

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