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Re: [eduGAIN-discuss] IdP without DNS records


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  • From: Dick Visser <dick.visser AT geant.org>
  • To: Peter Schober <peter.schober AT univie.ac.at>
  • Cc: edugain-discuss AT lists.geant.org
  • Subject: Re: [eduGAIN-discuss] IdP without DNS records
  • Date: Tue, 8 May 2018 16:50:21 +0200
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This is similar to the case of institutions filtering network access
to their IdP so it's not publicly available.
I came across this lately and while I think it's an ill conceived
idea, I'm not the one that needs to use it.
If a local security policy mandates it, and users are able to use the
IdP - then great.
IIRC it was some hospital that did things this way.

Any sort of IdP sanity checks (certificate/crypto health, software
version probing, protocol support etc) will of course be impossible
with this approach.

Dcik

On 8 May 2018 at 16:40, Peter Schober <peter.schober AT univie.ac.at> wrote:
> * Niels van Dijk <niels.vandijk AT surfnet.nl> [2018-05-08 16:23]:
>> While testing with the eduGAIN metadata, I note the entity
>> https://idp.vle.ase.md/saml/saml2/idp/metadata.php has no DNS records,
>> hence is totally not functional.
>
> Also note that your conclusion above is incorrect: An entityID is a
> name (of xsd:type anyURI), not a location. (Counter example:
> "urn:mace:incommon:osu.edu" has no DNS record, so it must be totally
> unfunctional, too?)
>
> Such an entity could function perfectly fine if the protocol endpoints
> were reachable.
>
> Of course in this specific case it's obvious to humans that have
> experience with SAML federations that the entityID here clearly is
> using the auto-generated value from the deployed SAML implementation
> (SimpleSAMLphp) and as such /will/ be based on its actual host name,
> meaning it will /share/ that host name portion with its own protocol
> endpoints, meaning those protocol endpoints will be just as
> unreachable, resulting in the actual problem: Unreachable protocol
> endpoints.
>
> -peter



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