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- From: Stefan Winter <stefan.winter AT restena.lu>
- To: eduroam CAT Feedback <cat-users AT lists.geant.org>
- Subject: [[cat-users]] Windows 10 TTLS: a new choice
- Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 11:11:37 +0200
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Hello,
(** questions ** inside)
as you have possibly read in recent mailing list traffic, we have
received word that the Windows 10 built-in supplicant for TTLS is again
functional (it was functional in the original release, broke somewhere
along the way in a feature upgrade, and has now apparently come back
with the 1803 update; there are separate patch updates for 1703 and 1709
apparently).
Ever since Windows 10's breakage, we introduced GEANTlink for all TTLS
configurations in Windows 10, which is a viable workaround.
GEANTlink has the drawback of requiring admin rights during installion.
It has the upside of having much better logging, and the distinctive
feature that it actually works :-).
We are in a situation where many of you have gotten used to GEANTlink.
I'm sure some/many of you like the features of it; OTOH I'm almost as
sure that there are some/many among you who don't like the fact of
requiring admin rights during installation.
The thing is: with a Windows 10 built-in supplicant actually working, we
now have a choice of two things we can do: configure the built-in
supplicant (forgetting about GEANTlink) or continued use of GEANTlink
(forgetting about built-in).
A subtlety in this is that a user might have an un-updated Windows 10
version which still has the broken built-in supplicant. In those cases,
there is no choice and we will keep using GEANTlink.
** Do you think we should care about non-updated machines? **
Since both supplicants have their pros and cons, our current thinking is
that we want to give the choice to you, the IdP admins.
The plan is: by default, keep things are they are today (principle of
least surprise) - Windows 10 TTLS installers setup and configure
GEANTlink - but provide an option on the "Fine-Tuning" level for the EAP
type TTLS: "Prefer Built-In Supplicant" (boolean, check-box). It's going
to be labelled "Prefer" because the installer might have to use
GEANTlink anyway depending on the release of Windows 10 it finds on the
end-user's machine (unless you tell us that we can ignore un-updated
systems, in which case the built-in will always be chosen).
That way, admins who don't take action are not subject to a potentially
nasty surprise and get unchanged behaviour, but those who do care can
make an informed decision.
There's a subtlety in that, too, though: so far on Windows 8 we did not
use GEANTlink because the built-in supplicant works there. Once we have
an option to prefer the built-in supplicant or not, we will also honour
it there, meaning that unless an admin configures the "Prefer Built-In
Supplicant" option, the behaviour WILL change towards GEANTlink. So much
for least surprise there, but Windows 8 has a very small footprint these
days, so I don't think there is much of an impact there.
** Please let us know by replying to this mail if you see issues with
this course of action, and if you care much about non-updated Windows 10
systems and/or the behaviour change in Windows 8 installers. **
Greetings,
Stefan Winter
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- [[cat-users]] Windows 10 TTLS: a new choice, Stefan Winter, 10/15/2018
- Re: [[cat-users]] Windows 10 TTLS: a new choice, Tomasz Wolniewicz, 10/15/2018
- Re: [[cat-users]] Windows 10 TTLS: a new choice, Daniele Albrizio, 10/15/2018
- Re: [[cat-users]] Windows 10 TTLS: a new choice, Tomasz Wolniewicz, 10/15/2018
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